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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 9, 2007 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My, my, my...

As the late great Kurt Vonnegut said
"We humanists are the best we can be without the expectation of reward or punishment in an afterlife. We do not fear death and neither should you. As socrates said, death is just one more night."

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jun 9, 2007 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My, my, my...

Religion and spirituality are very very personal things..It is definitely crossing over the line to quote scriptures and proverbs and verses from the bible, in my views..

But anyways, 'it all rolls into one'..


Nietzsche said in one of his books, "God is dead [and we killed him]."

Esotericone: You are furthering what this quote was all about!! ha. you are killing god for other people.. God is personal, not preaching material.. especially on a forum



but like I said in your "choices" thread, do as you please.. You still look pretty pretentious to me, especially when someone criticizes your scripture posts, and then you type back to them in this self righteous manner

-m

This post was modified by Max Chorak on 2007-06-10 03:11:47

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Jun 9, 2007 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My, my, my...

Hi Max :) how are you? we missed you in Grok tonight... and we had quite a crew there!

When are you going to join us? :)

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 10, 2007 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My, my, my...

I do not aim this at you at all, DB: something in your post hit me in an odd little way.

And this is not intended to be offensive, judgmental, divisive, antagonistic--etc.

But does not the GROK seem to carry with it a few similarities to "religion"? Everyone coming to the "place" to share moments as a gathered community--to commune, in turn, via shared experience and shared ideas? Do not the Grateful Dead, as it were, seem to be a religion of sorts?

Mind you, not one with all the usual trappings of heaven and hell and so on--but with the good parts? Fellowship, belief,
spiritual connectivity with something greater than one's self, letting one's ego merge into a larger (un)consciousness? Sharing? Singing? Dancing?

Is then, the GROK not an approach to the greater good that "religion" holds itself out to be?

Curious.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 10, 2007 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My, my, my...

Verily, are those who GROK not, in some wise less than those who GROK fulsomely? Those speakest wisely and well, oh Ghost. Tis often thus.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 10, 2007 2:54pm
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Hey Rob--good to see you in this thread that dare I say, reminds me of the good ol days...

Hope you are doing well, and the strangeness of the day before can melt away soon enough.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 10, 2007 3:00pm
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William, my noble fighter for freedom! I've been as bemused, confused, amused as anyone over my spat with Cliff. I guess I'm just constitutionally incapable of turning the other cheek (a reason why I, on the whole, take no part on the religious threads - there's not a believer's bone in my body. But there may be a thaw on the way.

I would love to hear of this road trip you've been on with your sons - sounds wonderful. Do you still have my email address? If not Cush or Dire will oblige - you can tell them I sent you! Stay well, old friend. We'll talk soon no doubt.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 10, 2007 4:36pm
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Just putzing around the desert southwest, and listening to an amazing collection of material, BUT just arrived home, to find a package from Ian, and more music to keep us entertained.

Yes, that interaction was a shocker, but hey, I started out with some nastiness between myself and others that I call good friends now...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 10, 2007 4:50pm
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You're a brother, Will Tell, and a good one. You can always find me if you need me.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 9, 2007 9:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My, my, my...

I am upset jerry never got to make his vonnegut movie:

http://www.yoyow.com/marye/garcia.html

Later in the same interview Jerry shows more of an ear than a lot of his fans (ouch!):

Have you ever checked out any of the Grateful Dead clone bands?

Yeah, but I don't think that's where it's at, exactly. Really, it's people who have to invent their own version of what the Grateful Dead is, starting now. Not doing what we've done, but digging the way we've done it, and doing what they're going to do—continuing this notion. But somebody else has to see that—it isn't going to work just by following our footsteps. It's gonna work by taking off perpendicular to every direction we've gone off in.

There are probably people out there doing it. Doing their version of it, and it's certainly heartening when you get good musicians who seem concerned about their audiences, and who really love to play. The more of that you see, the better it makes me feel about the future of music. And the future of adventure in America, or whatever it is that Deadheads represent at their best. All that stuff.

Do you see that in any of the young bands you look at?

Bits and pieces here and there. Any time people go out and have a great time, and feel uplifted by the music, there's some of that in there. And really, that would be enough, as far as I'm concerned.

There was an interview where somebody said to REM, it seems like what you do is not unlike the Grateful Dead, and they said fine with us, we want to take care of our audience and stay honest.

That's right. That's it, man. It's heartening to hear that kind of stuff from anybody.

You go to an REM concert, and their crowd is very much like we all were 20 years ago.

Sure. I think there's a lot of people out there that are doing stuff that . . .

There's a lot of music that I like personally, and there's some soulful people there. The rock and roll survivors are all maybe—I'm a big Peter Gabriel fan, I like Stevie Winwood's stuff—still good, still great. Los Lobos is one of my favorite bands—U2.

There's all kinds of—there's lots more. When I was in New York I went to see Suzanne Vega.

Isn't she great?

I love her. I offered to produce her next record. I'd love to do it, and I really have huge respect for her. I found her so real that I. . . She's very there.

I thought she was a wonderful performer. She is terrific, really really good. It's that thing of commitment to what you're doing, commitment to your music, and the thing of something real there. That means a lot to me. I just--

Whenever I run into these people, people who are getting into the music business, starting to build their careers and stuff like that, I feel protective of them.

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2007-06-10 04:51:26

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 10, 2007 12:19am
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Amen...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jun 10, 2007 1:39am
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>Nietzsche said in one of his books, "God is dead
>[and we killed him]."

It's also said:

Nietzsche is dead.
-God

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jun 10, 2007 2:10am
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hahah..

i guess the whole syphillis thing or whatever they think he got was revenge?


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Poster: ducats Date: Jun 10, 2007 6:29am
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I thought he was a linebacker for the Lions or Packers?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 9, 2007 10:36pm
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Now THAT's my kind of religion...zealous creativity.

Thanks for closing up this thread with an excellent post.